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		<title>Comment on Rebooting Rural by Layla Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=294&#038;cpage=1#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Layla Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wind farms are great but they also take up a large land area,~~</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rebooting Rural by Lauren Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=294&#038;cpage=1#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually it is not that hard to setup wind farms, the only problem is that it requires lots of capital investment.,&#039;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually it is not that hard to setup wind farms, the only problem is that it requires lots of capital investment.,&#8217;-</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rebooting Rural by cyberdoyle</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=294&#038;cpage=1#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>cyberdoyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, if only...
and to make it happen here is a plan... http://5tth.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-is-nga.html
the place you describe is utopia, a community round Utah who have their own cloud already. We could learn a lot from them. Sustainable rural communities. But to make it happen we need NGA first, ubiquitous access to support innovation.
chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, if only&#8230;<br />
and to make it happen here is a plan&#8230; <a href="http://5tth.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-is-nga.html" rel="nofollow">http://5tth.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-is-nga.html</a><br />
the place you describe is utopia, a community round Utah who have their own cloud already. We could learn a lot from them. Sustainable rural communities. But to make it happen we need NGA first, ubiquitous access to support innovation.<br />
chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rebooting Rural by Tweets that mention Rebooting Rural really good piece from tks for this it made me think past access to application #rural #digital -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=294&#038;cpage=1#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Rebooting Rural really good piece from tks for this it made me think past access to application #rural #digital -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by PublicSectorBloggers, Rob Hindle. Rob Hindle said: Rebooting Rural http://bit.ly/9pSzbJ really good piece from @penval tks for this it made me think past access to application #rural #digital [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by PublicSectorBloggers, Rob Hindle. Rob Hindle said: Rebooting Rural <a href="http://bit.ly/9pSzbJ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9pSzbJ</a> really good piece from @penval tks for this it made me think past access to application #rural #digital [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Digital Inclusion Manifesto by fred garnett</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=283&#038;cpage=1#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>fred garnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool post, thoughtful and positive and I think I agree with all the posts, especially the infrastructure one. As a member of the Learner-Generated Contexts Research Group I am not sure about the content point. Give the content away and charge for services I think.
I try to work in the solution space of social and digital inclusion so it is good to find a like-minded grumpy old men...
http://heutagogicarchive.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool post, thoughtful and positive and I think I agree with all the posts, especially the infrastructure one. As a member of the Learner-Generated Contexts Research Group I am not sure about the content point. Give the content away and charge for services I think.<br />
I try to work in the solution space of social and digital inclusion so it is good to find a like-minded grumpy old men&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://heutagogicarchive.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://heutagogicarchive.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Capital and Innovation by Tweets that mention Penval - News -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=20&#038;cpage=1#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Penval - News -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Paul Nash. Paul Nash said: I&#039;m on some sort of role in #digitalinclusion Way back in August 2009 http://bit.ly/cQz5fh and in related posts you heard it here first [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Paul Nash. Paul Nash said: I&#39;m on some sort of role in #digitalinclusion Way back in August 2009 <a href="http://bit.ly/cQz5fh" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cQz5fh</a> and in related posts you heard it here first [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cesi n&#8217;est pas une pipe by Tweets that mention Penval - News -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=273&#038;cpage=1#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Penval - News -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Paul Nash. Paul Nash said: Grumpy Old Man Moment - I said it in March http://bit.ly/9TWrK0 those with most to gain are most disengaged eGov is not the way to do it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Paul Nash. Paul Nash said: Grumpy Old Man Moment &#8211; I said it in March <a href="http://bit.ly/9TWrK0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9TWrK0</a> those with most to gain are most disengaged eGov is not the way to do it [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Digital Inclusion Manifesto by Interesting elsewhere &#8211; 6 April 2010 &#124; Public Strategist</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=283&#038;cpage=1#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting elsewhere &#8211; 6 April 2010 &#124; Public Strategist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My Digital Inclusion Manifesto &#8211; Penval The biggest users of government services are the most vulnerable group in the community. Those who suffer multiple deprivations have their own networks that meet their needs; the network is the first layer of the care wrap. In a crisis nobody uses the internet but they do phone a friend: focus on the friends. Working towards universal digital inclusion it is often easy to forget that the third sector creates a pathway to get to hard to reach clients. Within those complex networks we should remember that brokers are the most important members of society; they see the parts and create the whole.There is a digital inclusion imperative resulting from a high level determination to see people on line to access information and services. In meeting that imperative, let us not lose sight of the potential for the biggest stakeholders to be empowered. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My Digital Inclusion Manifesto &#8211; Penval The biggest users of government services are the most vulnerable group in the community. Those who suffer multiple deprivations have their own networks that meet their needs; the network is the first layer of the care wrap. In a crisis nobody uses the internet but they do phone a friend: focus on the friends. Working towards universal digital inclusion it is often easy to forget that the third sector creates a pathway to get to hard to reach clients. Within those complex networks we should remember that brokers are the most important members of society; they see the parts and create the whole.There is a digital inclusion imperative resulting from a high level determination to see people on line to access information and services. In meeting that imperative, let us not lose sight of the potential for the biggest stakeholders to be empowered. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Digital Inclusion Manifesto by unitybridge</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=283&#038;cpage=1#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>unitybridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These well crafted thoughts highlight the fragmentation under the surface of &#039;digital inclusion&#039;. To society (if they notice) we must appear a strange mix of  community developers, technology enthusiasts, cost reducing and controlling beaurocrats, educationalists and partly disguised sales people. These parties must have divergent motivations and visions - hiding these helps no-one.

The need for a clear set of goals is apparent although this process may fragment a loose coalition of interests -as Paul points out we should be open about identity. In that fragmented future world of digital inclusion we need champions and alliances not the current fiudge. 

This feels like the start of a debate that will clarify goals and methods. With an election upon us and post-election cost constraint to follow - we need to take the time to work thorugh these issues and get ready for the challenges that might follow.

I have a pet hate of the use of the word &#039;evolution&#039; - the implicit continuous improvement is not evidenced. I doubt that this is an evolutionary process, the internet and digital inclusion is being architected to achieve defined purposes; primarily commercial and governmental. The unintended consequences of this development may offer chances for innovation but we have to move beyond living off the virtual &#039;waste-tip&#039; if we are to allow others to gain and grow. To do this the clarity of goals and means implied in Paul&#039;s article will be essential - as will loud voices to champion them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These well crafted thoughts highlight the fragmentation under the surface of &#8216;digital inclusion&#8217;. To society (if they notice) we must appear a strange mix of  community developers, technology enthusiasts, cost reducing and controlling beaurocrats, educationalists and partly disguised sales people. These parties must have divergent motivations and visions &#8211; hiding these helps no-one.</p>
<p>The need for a clear set of goals is apparent although this process may fragment a loose coalition of interests -as Paul points out we should be open about identity. In that fragmented future world of digital inclusion we need champions and alliances not the current fiudge. </p>
<p>This feels like the start of a debate that will clarify goals and methods. With an election upon us and post-election cost constraint to follow &#8211; we need to take the time to work thorugh these issues and get ready for the challenges that might follow.</p>
<p>I have a pet hate of the use of the word &#8216;evolution&#8217; &#8211; the implicit continuous improvement is not evidenced. I doubt that this is an evolutionary process, the internet and digital inclusion is being architected to achieve defined purposes; primarily commercial and governmental. The unintended consequences of this development may offer chances for innovation but we have to move beyond living off the virtual &#8216;waste-tip&#8217; if we are to allow others to gain and grow. To do this the clarity of goals and means implied in Paul&#8217;s article will be essential &#8211; as will loud voices to champion them!</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Digital Inclusion Manifesto by Bookmarks for March 30th through April 5th</title>
		<link>http://www.penval.co.uk/blog/?p=283&#038;cpage=1#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks for March 30th through April 5th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Penval&#8217;s Digital Inclusion Manifesto &#8211; Well done Paul Nash. This is what the digital inclusion debate needs &#8211; proper, thought through ideas. Genuinely constructive contributions. Not just people bleating about the problems. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Penval&#8217;s Digital Inclusion Manifesto &#8211; Well done Paul Nash. This is what the digital inclusion debate needs &#8211; proper, thought through ideas. Genuinely constructive contributions. Not just people bleating about the problems. [...]</p>
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